What causes houses to catch fire from a hot tub?
How about this one that killed people?
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-napa-wildfire-hot-tub-20160810-snap-story.html
This subject of safety runs
throughout our entire web site, because it is one of
the most important design concepts a consumer
should consider.
Steel and Aluminum Enclosures.
Every material used in the construction of electrical
enclosures has a fire rating. The worst is
plastic with out fiber reinforcement. The best
is steel.
The steel that we use is similar to what is found in
bar be que grills and gas or electric stoves. It
is also the same steel as used in your homes electric
service panel. We use metal enclosures on all the
electrical control boxes. Why do we spend extra money
on this, when all the other cheap spa companies use
plastic for high amp equipment? Because we have
real life experience and education on the way that
electricity actually works, not how it works in the
imagination of some really stupid people on this
earth.
"Money is more
important than life or now a dead consumer is a
statistic instead of a person".
If you were to go to Google Alerts and
subscribe to "hot tub fires", you will see a pattern
of hot tubs that catch on fire. The pattern is plastic
boxes on older spas.
There have been 5 in the last six months according to
the newspaper articles I have read. There
should be ZERO, if these spa manufacturers
had any brains and used steel or metal control
boxes. Those people's lives are threatened by
this, (and as I do more research on this, I'll bet
people have died from this. UPDATE, yes several people
have now died from hot tub caused fires.)
Here is what happens inside those boxes, because I
have seen this many times. The power lugs coming
into the spa pack corrode and arc, or circuit board
relay starts to fail, it starts arcing like a welder
and the arc melts through the plastic and starts the
spa on fire. Then the spa starts the deck on
fire and then the house. These are things that
consumers don't think about. How is it possible for a
spa to have a UL or ETL listing and have plastic
control boxes, when you can't use plastic on any home
sub panel with multiple breakers or multiple
connections. The more connections the more possible
corrosion, leading to arcing. And any humidity at all
will cause corrosion on any connection in the control
box. I used to ask my brother, "How is it
that people are so stupid?" His answer, "because they
are and they are greedy. Money is more important
than life or now a dead consumer is a statistic
instead of a person".
With
steel or aluminum the arc never gets outside the
enclosure. I have seen this on
three of our Haven Spas in the last 9
years. Most always it is from the
electrician, not connecting the power wires to the spa
correctly.
They must be tightened and then as the strands
compress and settle under the lug, tighten them again
to take all the "slack" out of the strands. The
strands literally move out as the lug is tightened and
it can fool you into thinking it is tight. Go back in
a few seconds and you can tighten it more, because the
stranded wire strands settle "like spaghetti" as they
spread out. Also in wet areas along the coast,
you must use an anti-oxidant on the wires or have
someone check them every few years for corrosion.
Corroded main lugs start fires.
There
is no qualified electrician in the US who is allowed
to use plastic load centers in your home next to
flammable materials. So why is the load center
of a 50 or 60 AMP spa allowed to be made from
plastic? In Europe they are going to go with ARC
breakers that sense arcing, because of the stupid
plastic boxes used in homes. Who was the idiot
politician who allowed plastic in the EU code? And
the EU has 230V and 380 and 400 Volts much more than
the USA.
There is no qualified electrician
in the US who is allowed to use plastic load centers
in your home next to flammable materials. Not
only is it not a good idea, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
So why is the load center of a 50 or 60 AMP spa
allowed to be made from plastic? It is
because of profits and companies who are only
concerned about money and not concerned about a
statistic of someone's home being destroyed, or even
one person dying, "once in a while".
Every time I have seen a burned out control box made
from steel, you cannot tell from the outside of the
box what is inside. The outside looks all clean
and white, with no signs of electrical arcing.
When I opened up the box, then I can see all the black
and burned out electrical parts. With plastic,
you mostly can't even tell where the box is or even
what it was, after the fire, because as the deputy
fire Marshall told me, he could not even tell what
"that black charred thing was" with the wires coming
to it was. This was after they put the fire out
and the spa burned the deck and almost burned the
house down.
If the owner had not been home, he would have no house
to come home to.
I ran a small electrical
contracting business for over 7 years, and the NECA
code book, seem to not apply to spas. Why?
I can't stress how idiotic it is to
use a plastic enclosure on high current spa
boxes. Plastic main boxes are a "time
bomb" waiting to start fires "down the road". If you
look now, you will see many of them, and in the
future, 8 to 12 years we are going to start seeing
more fires from spas than ever. Prior to 2003,
most spas had steel or aluminum. I think people
are getting dumber because of economics and short cuts
to save money. Maybe they ARE just dumber and
more greedy.
If you understand electricity at
all, a steel control box or aluminum is a grounded
metal enclosure that shields the electronics from
outside radio waves or any arcing influences. It
also, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND,
grounds out the arc from any electrical connector that
touches it and IMMEDIATELY TURNS OFF THE POWER TO THE
SPA, because the Ground Fault Protection, trips
immediately. As soon as any arc touches the
enclosure metal, which is grounded, it instantly turns
off the power and stops the arcing. And it is ALWAYS
the arcing that kills people.
With plastic enclosures, the GFCI
(ground fault circuit interrupter) does not
trip, because plastic is not
a conductor, so the arc keeps on going,
melts and penetrates outside the plastic box. I
can't even begin to tell you how dangerous that is on
an old spa. As the wires ages and start to have
corrosion it will eventually break the connection and
create a "distance" between the connection. It
is that slight distance where the arcing occurs.
When the electricity is turned on, it jumps that small
gap and gets very hot. It melts the wires and
creates an even bigger gap that becomes a bright "arc
lamp". If it were to contact metal the arc would
shut off the GFCI.. If it contacts plastic, it
melts the plastic and starts arcing on the outside of
the box and the plastic will start to burn, even if it
has flame retardant in it, because it is a "petroleum"
product.
The second best is aluminum, but it
still has a much lower resistance to fire escape than
steel. But with the advent of the GFCI Aluminum
is OK
Why take the chance. We only use metal control
boxes on Haven Spas; Aluminum on some models with less
current.
Perfect example; older hot tub with
plastic control box.