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Spa Shell Structure
The Most important part!
Havenmade Inc.
Our
customers
get an education, they buy from us with knowledge.
There are still a lot of people buying inferior made
shells on their spas. There are companies that
are so proud of their "profit margin", touting :
"We have the highest profit margin because of our low
cost manufacturing."
I really do not like these companies. As
a consumer, you have no clue how cheaply made these
spas are, until you read my information and the
information of a few obscure web sites.
Almost all of the cheapness in these Southern
California made spas is hidden beneath the surface.
There should be a law that all spa stores show a
sample of the shell structure of the spas they
sell. Or at least have to explain how cheaply
they are made.
This company referred to above is on my hit list of
spa companies that need to go away. Their
customers are victims of their own ignorance.
Anytime
the word ABS plastic is used in the same sentence
as the word spa shell, walk away.
Anytime the word ABS plastic is used in the same
sentence as the word spa shell, walk
away. Unless the spa sells for less than
$2500, and all you want is a throwaway item.
Unfortunately, the marketing department of this
company tells everyone that these spas are the best of
the best. Better than any other spa
brand. There is no law about
what a sales person may deem to be the best or whether
or not he may believe these spa are the
best. The best spa as far as he is
concerned is the one with the most profit!
Driven by the lust for money, the companies making
these types of spas keep fooling the public. The
brochures are beautiful pieces of art, depicting the
spas in a wonderful light.
These spa companies are now putting the fact that the
shells are made from ABS in very tiny print in their
advertising then they give it a marketing name like
"Eduresall" or "Stongshell". If the name of the
shell material indicates longevity like a variation on
Endurance, run away.
These
spa companies are now putting the fact that the
shells are made from ABS in very tiny
print......Run!
Even if they have great therapy, and some do, the
spas will not last. Some have "lifetime
warranties" they never honor, because the fine print
negates the warranty. You can invalidate
the warranty by normal use.
I always like to tell this story about my
experience:
When I first got into the spa business, I was
ignorant about what was involved in spa
quality. Most spas looked good to
me. I had owned an antique, inground,
custom installed spa from the 1970's and that was all
I knew. That tub had no air jets, four water
jets, had a swimming pool heater on it . The
pump was a swimming pool one speed model and filter
system was an adapted pool filter. There
were no spa pumps available at that time.
I can remember the first day at the job. I was
standing in front of a Ca$de@a spa that looked really
good to me. It was acrylic with lots of nice
jets, and a good looking cabinet. Modern
looking and sleek. I thought is was really
beautiful. While I was standing there
looking at it sort of smiling, one of the
delivery guys stopped by to introduce himself. I
said I thought the spa "looked good" to
me. He said : "That spa is a piece
of s$it and we are getting rid of them. They
have leaking problems, and the shells and wood are
crap." I was a little confused to say the
least. That was my first lesson in ABS
shells with acrylic. The spas were
referred to as "Crapderas". ( The company
hasn't changed much in their manufacturing, except
they are not as good of a lawn sprinkler as they used
to be.)
I went to work as the service manager in this large
spa store in Denver. We had thousands of
service customers, and I oversaw each and every
service ticket. We also did warranty work
for five different spa brands. I saw a lot of
manufacturing defects in action. (Since then we have
done warranty work for 16 differernt spa brands.)
Do
not buy a spa with ABS in the shell!
I can remember calling up the service guy at the
Wi$d Riv%r factory several times over cracks in the
shells of these relatively young spas, one to three
years old. Each time I was presented with
the same denial garbage. The factory
representative would say: "The spa must not be
sitting on a solid flat platform". After a
while I got really tired of this. I would
say something like this. "Well! It seems
like all those spas with the cracks in exactly the
same place must all be on warped concrete." Then
I would very politely ask him to start honoring the
warranty, which as far as I know he never did.
It was always deemed owner "abuse". Do not buy a
spa with ABS in the shell!
According
to engineering specifications from the
manufactures of ABS and Acyrlic, ABS expands 1.333
times more than acrylic.
Every C2L Spa owner from the last few years has told
me. They "love their spa", but when I ask them
if they have had any warranty problems, They all
talked about cracks in the shell, particularly all
over the upper lip. When ever we
take one in as a trade, we set it outside and put a
"FREE SPA" sign on it.
ABS will
expand and pull apart the surface of the acrylic.
Using ABS plastic in a spa shell invites
cracks. The acrylic is a very hard
plastic, and the ABS is relatively
soft. When the two are bonded
together very tightly, we have what is know as
dissimilar materials manufacturing, which is not
good. The expansion rate of ABS is faster
than acrylic. As the spa shell is
subjected to normal use, the materials expand and
contract. Because they are bonded so tightly
together, the ABS will expand and pull apart the
surface of the acrylic. Something
has to give. The harder and slower
expansion rate acrylic is literally ripped apart over
time.
To
this day, the best method is acrylic with a
sandwich of vinyl ester resin, then hand rolled
fiberglass.
So what is the best method?
To this day, the best method is acrylic with a
sandwich of vinyl ester resin, then hand rolled
fiberglass. The vinyl ester resin seals the
acrylic and creates a bond four times stronger than
acrylic and fiberglass alone. This method is
also used on expensive boats. After fifteen to
twenty years of normal care and use, the shell will
have a few, easily reparable, surface cracks.
Although nothing is perfect, this is the best
method known to make a spa in a reasonable
fashion. The problem is it costs more to
make a good shell, so human nature and greed keeps
people making cheap crummy shells because of the
consumer ignorance.
When some scientist comes out with a better shell
material, I will have it in my
showroom. I believe that the next
generation will be a "space age" ceramic, one piece.
When someone comes into my showroom and asks almost
immediately how our spa shells are made, I know they
have been burned and are prior owners of poorly made
spas.
I place these manufactures in the same category as
phony medicine vendors. People are seeking
relief from everyday stress, and are easy victims to
these cheaply made over priced spas.
Some of these spas are sold for as much as
$9,000.00 (13K in 2005) by an amazing
calculated and psychologically predicable sales pitch,
designed by high paid "masters of marketing".
Their showrooms are set up in a certain way to control
the sales. They bring you through a
complete well designed path through the store, to gain
"control" of you. The spas are presented in a
fantasy show room, with the cheapness of the product
well hidden.
We have a converted warehouse, We show the
spas with the cabinets open, so you can see the
insides. The framing, the insulation, the
equipment. We are very different.
Our corporate policy is to educate our customers and
to give the best possible service, without losing
money. If we go out of business, how are we
going to help our customers?
I have another bit of news. Our spas are not
cheap! However, the prices we have for
this level of quality is not attainable by most other
spa companies because of our exceptionally low
marketing overhead. We have no
marketing department. We have no " district
sales people"; no "regional sale
managers", Just me and our web site and about
600 to 3,000 hits a day. We now have
spa owners from coast to coast from north to
south, east to west. Northern
Washington, to Southern Florida. From
Vermont to southern California.
People often ask me when I tell them of our internet
success: " Don't they make spas in
Florida?" " Why are people ordering spas from
Colorado?"
Our customers get an education, they buy from us with
knowledge. We have customers fly in on
excursion flights just to see and wet test the
spas. So far, all have
purchased. Our spas are that much better for a
real bargain price. Quiet, powerful, exceptionally
energy efficient, with real massage and strong
shells! They are also beautiful!
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