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Filtration Systems
What Makes a Good Spa.
How we service our customers out of state
Spa Shell Structure: The most important part.
Silly Stuff: Arthritus, Glue Joints and 100% filtering.
Compare spa ideas
Installing an energy efficient spa in the ground.
Instaling spas in and on decks.
What is involved in the installation of spas? Electrcal GFCI vs. Breakers
About Blower and Pump Clean-out and What is the best filtration system?
More on Full Foam Spa Use
"Spa Covers and Sunlight"
"Heater Problems: Basic Heater diagram
Misconceptions About Spas and How Spas Enhance Your Life
Bromine and Ozone
Air and Jet Therapy
Winterizing Your Spa
Nature2 and Other Ionizers
Filtering Spa Water
Hydrogen Peroxide
Standard Spa Care with Bromine
Insulation, Heat Retention and Freeze damage
BBBOnLine Reliability Seal

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 1997 through 2005
The Spa Specialist Inc.
hot tubs and spas
James Arjuna
President of The Spa Specialist inc.

Spa Construction: Frames

Spas And Hot Tubs


copyright 1997 through 2008 Havenmade Inc.

 



Wooden Frames VS Metal Frames


A well made wooden internal  structure is far superior to the steel that is now on the market.  The thin, light gauge steel is designed to cut cost of manufacturing and that is all.  It has nothing to do with engineering, other than the bean counters decided to save some money.  It is a lot cheaper because of manufacturing savings.  These silly marketing people would have you believe that they are putting in materials used in steel girders in your spa.  It is cheaper stamped out light gauge steel. The typical marketing thing is to make up stuff about something that cuts costs and sell it like crazy as being the "latest technology" or "superior".  That is the same as bullet jets.  Most spas use these tiny bullet jets on the human back and they are not appropriate for the human back in terms of massage or therapy.  But they do make a lot of money because consumers, like you are ignorant about jets.  What you really want is good solid reasonableness, not concocted sales pitches.

There are many spas still around with the same wood construction after 20 years.  I know because we service them and our environment is much harsher than most.  I have worked on houses with wood that was over 120 years old, and it just gets stronger with age. Try drilling a hole in a rafter on an old barn.  It is extremely hard to drill.   As long as it is kept dry, it will outlast any metal frames.

The only consideration I have for changing the cabinet is to use a polyethylene-recycled material on the bottom, instead of the pressure treated lumber.  That is because we sell spas in places that have severe rain issues and if the water does not seep out fast enough because of the design of the spa owner's platform, there is a possibility of the wood soaking on the bottom.  (This is nothing compared to what happens with steel in the same situation, decomposing, rusting, in a matter of months.) There is a company in WI that recycles milk jugs into 2x4's and 2x6's.  It does not have horizontal strength as wood does, but it can stand underneath and hold up the spa very well.  In other words if you apply a side load to it, it will bend.  But on the bottom it is plenty strong, especially if the rest of the cabinet it solidly framed. The polyethylene will outlast your home, your car, your boat, actually it will outlast twenty generations of human beings in the land fill dump.  That is why the environmentalists are so keen on recycling plastics.

I was offered to have metal frames on our spas, but for the obvious, engineering, reasons we don't want them.  The wood is much stronger, and you can ask any mechanical engineer.  It is also the more expensive route.  Much more labor consuming to build a wooden framed spa.  We also use 2x4, where as the other wood frame companies use 2x2.

The other issue with metal frames is the sound vibration.  Most of the poorly designed spa companies will mount the pumps on rubber isolation suspension.  This is to stop the sound vibrations on their cheap non-structural base they put the pumps on.  This is a bad thing to do to both the motors and the plumbing pipes, Every time the motor starts it rips at the joints and causes leaks, unscrews the unions while it stresses the plumbing. 

I have seen this so many times on older spas made this way.  If you want to have a cheap cabinet and mount the pumps on cheap platforms, you wind up with this poorly thought out nonsense.   It is an old Coleman trick to make the pumps quiet, but it eventually ruins the plumbing pipes attached to it.

We mount the pumps on solid frames.  Take a look next time.   There is much more mass under the motors.  It stops, not only sound vibrations, but also it stops the pumps from torquing the plumbing pipes.  Many spa companies still use a plastic flat platform that works like a speaker for the hum from the pumps.

About four years ago we had a Springville model that fell off the trailer onto the road and slid about 60 feet into a snow embankment.  My guys did not have it secured properly and there was ice on the flat bed trailer.   We took it back to the store and tested it.  There was nothing wrong with it, except where the redwood corner piece hit the snow embankment.  There is NOTHING STRONGER, in current production, THAN 2X4 FRAMED CABINETS!  Don't be a sucker for some spa salesman.


The SCF (and the whole Haven Line of spas) is the most energy efficient spa of that size and power.  It is a totally different spa than you can even understand.  We sell many of them to engineers and doctors, but mostly it is to people who do understand the physical world very well. 

The wood framework not only lasts longer than the metal under those conditions; it can withstand severe stresses that the metal would crumble under. 

I have discussed this with engineers, by the way.  The structural strength of wood is far superior than the metal frames presently used in spas, which are minimal in strength.  Just strong enough to do the job and no more.

Metal has another very bad feature in that is spreads sound and it transfers heat rather well. It is a "conductor".  Things that conduct electricity also conduct heat.  So, It is also a conductor of electricity, so that it gets what is called electrostatic charges in which the moist air will be attracted to the metal. Like a magnet.  This metal will take heat and transfer it to the outside of the cabinet. Wood is an insulator, a good insulator.

Our spas are all about energy efficiency, and metal frames would cause severe problems of heat transfer to the out side of the cabinet along with weakening the product, shortening the life and making more noise.


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Size Of Spa VS Energy Use
Jet Numbers in the Brochure
"Modern" Metal Frames
How To BUY Quality
Multiple Pumps
Diverter Valves
Bogus Information
How Spas Filter Economically
What's Involved in Filtering?
Message Board Awareness
The Importance of Engineering
THERAPY!
Installing Spas Indoors
Before You Buy any Spa About Controls
Read this about spa controls!!
Before You Buy any Spa
Read this about spa design!!
See the Haven Spas
Check out our very informative Message Board Forum
Hot Tubs and Safety: The US The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission











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AlbertaResearchCouncil
The American National Standard for Portable Spas
Home And Garden Show Wisdom
Water Clarity with the Copper/Silver ionizer and the Calcium test .
Filtration Systems
What Makes a Good Spa.
How we service our customers out of state
Spa Shell Structure: The most important part.
Silly Stuff: Arthritus, Glue Joints and 100% filtering.
Compare spa ideas
Installing an energy efficient spa in the ground.
Instaling spas in and on decks.
What is involved in the installation of spas? Electrcal GFCI vs. Breakers
About Blower and Pump Clean-out and What is the best filtration system?
More on Full Foam Spa Use
"Spa Covers and Sunlight"
"Heater Problems: Basic Heater diagram
Misconceptions About Spas and How Spas Enhance Your Life
Bromine and Ozone
Air and Jet Therapy
Winterizing Your Spa
Nature2 and Other Ionizers
Filtering Spa Water
Hydrogen Peroxide
Standard Spa Care with Bromine
Insulation, Heat Retention and Freeze damage
BBBOnLine Reliability Seal

Copyright
 1997 through 2005
The Spa Specialist Inc.
hot tubs and spas
James Arjuna
President of The Spa Specialist inc.

Spa Construction: Frames

Spas And Hot Tubs


copyright 1997 through 2008 Havenmade Inc.

 



Wooden Frames VS Metal Frames


A well made wooden internal  structure is far superior to the steel that is now on the market.  The thin, light gauge steel is designed to cut cost of manufacturing and that is all.  It has nothing to do with engineering, other than the bean counters decided to save some money.  It is a lot cheaper because of manufacturing savings.  These silly marketing people would have you believe that they are putting in materials used in steel girders in your spa.  It is cheaper stamped out light gauge steel. The typical marketing thing is to make up stuff about something that cuts costs and sell it like crazy as being the "latest technology" or "superior".  That is the same as bullet jets.  Most spas use these tiny bullet jets on the human back and they are not appropriate for the human back in terms of massage or therapy.  But they do make a lot of money because consumers, like you are ignorant about jets.  What you really want is good solid reasonableness, not concocted sales pitches.

There are many spas still around with the same wood construction after 20 years.  I know because we service them and our environment is much harsher than most.  I have worked on houses with wood that was over 120 years old, and it just gets stronger with age. Try drilling a hole in a rafter on an old barn.  It is extremely hard to drill.   As long as it is kept dry, it will outlast any metal frames.

The only consideration I have for changing the cabinet is to use a polyethylene-recycled material on the bottom, instead of the pressure treated lumber.  That is because we sell spas in places that have severe rain issues and if the water does not seep out fast enough because of the design of the spa owner's platform, there is a possibility of the wood soaking on the bottom.  (This is nothing compared to what happens with steel in the same situation, decomposing, rusting, in a matter of months.) There is a company in WI that recycles milk jugs into 2x4's and 2x6's.  It does not have horizontal strength as wood does, but it can stand underneath and hold up the spa very well.  In other words if you apply a side load to it, it will bend.  But on the bottom it is plenty strong, especially if the rest of the cabinet it solidly framed. The polyethylene will outlast your home, your car, your boat, actually it will outlast twenty generations of human beings in the land fill dump.  That is why the environmentalists are so keen on recycling plastics.

I was offered to have metal frames on our spas, but for the obvious, engineering, reasons we don't want them.  The wood is much stronger, and you can ask any mechanical engineer.  It is also the more expensive route.  Much more labor consuming to build a wooden framed spa.  We also use 2x4, where as the other wood frame companies use 2x2.

The other issue with metal frames is the sound vibration.  Most of the poorly designed spa companies will mount the pumps on rubber isolation suspension.  This is to stop the sound vibrations on their cheap non-structural base they put the pumps on.  This is a bad thing to do to both the motors and the plumbing pipes, Every time the motor starts it rips at the joints and causes leaks, unscrews the unions while it stresses the plumbing. 

I have seen this so many times on older spas made this way.  If you want to have a cheap cabinet and mount the pumps on cheap platforms, you wind up with this poorly thought out nonsense.   It is an old Coleman trick to make the pumps quiet, but it eventually ruins the plumbing pipes attached to it.

We mount the pumps on solid frames.  Take a look next time.   There is much more mass under the motors.  It stops, not only sound vibrations, but also it stops the pumps from torquing the plumbing pipes.  Many spa companies still use a plastic flat platform that works like a speaker for the hum from the pumps.

About four years ago we had a Springville model that fell off the trailer onto the road and slid about 60 feet into a snow embankment.  My guys did not have it secured properly and there was ice on the flat bed trailer.   We took it back to the store and tested it.  There was nothing wrong with it, except where the redwood corner piece hit the snow embankment.  There is NOTHING STRONGER, in current production, THAN 2X4 FRAMED CABINETS!  Don't be a sucker for some spa salesman.


The SCF (and the whole Haven Line of spas) is the most energy efficient spa of that size and power.  It is a totally different spa than you can even understand.  We sell many of them to engineers and doctors, but mostly it is to people who do understand the physical world very well. 

The wood framework not only lasts longer than the metal under those conditions; it can withstand severe stresses that the metal would crumble under. 

I have discussed this with engineers, by the way.  The structural strength of wood is far superior than the metal frames presently used in spas, which are minimal in strength.  Just strong enough to do the job and no more.

Metal has another very bad feature in that is spreads sound and it transfers heat rather well. It is a "conductor".  Things that conduct electricity also conduct heat.  So, It is also a conductor of electricity, so that it gets what is called electrostatic charges in which the moist air will be attracted to the metal. Like a magnet.  This metal will take heat and transfer it to the outside of the cabinet. Wood is an insulator, a good insulator.

Our spas are all about energy efficiency, and metal frames would cause severe problems of heat transfer to the out side of the cabinet along with weakening the product, shortening the life and making more noise.


HOME


In Virginia,  Haven Hot Tubs are everywhere.  We are extremely popular in the Eastern US, From New Hampshire to Florida.  There are a lot of smart shoppers in Virginia.



Size Of Spa VS Energy Use
Jet Numbers in the Brochure
"Modern" Metal Frames
How To BUY Quality
Multiple Pumps
Diverter Valves
Bogus Information
How Spas Filter Economically
What's Involved in Filtering?
Message Board Awareness
The Importance of Engineering
THERAPY!
Installing Spas Indoors
Before You Buy any Spa About Controls
Read this about spa controls!!
Before You Buy any Spa
Read this about spa design!!
See the Haven Spas
Check out our very informative Message Board Forum
Hot Tubs and Safety: The US The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission











Email us!       Read More down-load a copy of the DAIT brochure in PDF format.

HOME
HAVEN SPAS
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PRICES
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